Your son won’t feel pain. Say what????

http://www.everythingbirthblog.com/

Exact link:
http://www.everythingbirthblog.com/2013/04/circumcision-the-doctor-told-me-he-wouldnt-feel-a-thing/

Before

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After:
Look at the stress written on his face

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Same baby, same mother… one day later. After his circumcision, he just maintained the concerned look, with furrowed brows, even while he slept. It could have been pain from where they drew blood. Maybe.
So, for the week that followed I changed his diaper while he screamed the whole time. His little penis was red and tinges of blood would get on his diaper, even though I was putting petroleum jelly on it just like they said to. It wasn’t a little red. It was an angry red. And still I wondered why he was so upset. I remember telling him, “Mama has to change your diaper, honey.” As though what bothered him was not being wrapped up tightly. Maybe it was that. Maybe.

To this day, my son who is almost a teenager now, is still proving my old obstetrician wrong. He has asked me to get him a particular kind of underwear because his “completely normal” scar tissue causes discomfort. Sometimes, according to him, it even hurts. And the thing is, all of this discomfort and pain was pointless.
I was informed that my son would not feel a thing.
That might be one of the biggest lies I have ever fallen for.
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From the comments section and her reply:

Jeff says:
APRIL 28, 2013 AT 4:25 PM
The doctors weren’t lying.
It’s just that the “not feeling a thing” part comes later…
He’ll first notice that the doctors were “correct” in his twenties when he tries to practice safe sex by using a condom. At that point, he won’t feel a thing.
(He’ll give up on condoms at that point – hope he doesn’t catch anything.)
Later, in his thirties, or if he’s lucky, his forties, he’ll notice that the doctors were again “correct” when he tries to have sex even without a condom. Again, he won’t feel a thing.
Most of his pleasure nerves are gone now. He may be extra sensitive now, but that won’t last very long.
Before he knows it, his ever less sensitive penis will prove that the doctors were correct. He won’t feel a thing.
Oh, and just so you know. The only one “going through this” is HIM.
And he’ll be “going through this” for the rest of his life…
REPLY
Dawn says:
APRIL 28, 2013 AT 5:55 PM
Jeff,
When a mother expresses remorse and comes forward in an attempt to help prevent the atrocities in the future, it does no good further shaming her.
I appreciate the added facts, what to expect in the future. That was all good and imperative information to share. Your last two comments, however, felt as though they were intended to hurt me or at least to minimize the feelings of mothers who do feel pain because they realize that their child did.
Evidently, you do not understand what a mother “goes through” when she realizes that she had a part in something that unnecessarily harmed her baby. The truth is, circumcision harms much more than just the child who was cut. It harms the mother who realizes her mistake to her very core. It harms the partner he will eventually choose. It harms our society in general. There are more victims than just the primary one. And all of these aspects should be discussed.
Finally, it’s imperative for mothers to express their remorse. When they do, and they are shamed, it shows other women they should not speak up about their remorse.
The truth is, I believe that it’s mother’s talking about their remorse that will ultimately end this practice.

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Both are powerful comments-
Shaming the mother or parents is wrong especially when they realize the mistake they made….this mom is sharing her story so others won’t feel her regret or her son’s pain
However, men (and women) who have been cut also feel the need (naturally) to lash out so that they to can leave a mark on the reader. The person who has been harmed is the child now grown up…. We must realize that these babies grow up and become adults…. Adults who may be angry…..

So parents- whether you chose to circumcise your children or not you should talk to them about circumcision so that when confronted with it in the future they can cope with it.
Once you’ve cone to the realization that circumcision of unconsenting minors is wrong let your child know so that when they grow up they don’t cut your grandchildren, so they advocate leaving children whole when asked by friends about circumcision…. Also if they are intact that they are proud to be whole and not ashamed because they are “deformed” in a cut-happy society!

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Care for baby boy and child

Caring for your uncircumcised boy is easy: Do NOT pull back the foreskin. Simply wash the outside ONLY

We do not douche girls! You do not need to clean underneath the foreskin on boys. Too much cleaning of genitals for either sex messes with the body’s natural balance causing issues that never need be.

A teen or adult man should pull back the foreskin, rinse and replace.
Just as a woman should wash her labial folds but NOT stick soap up her vaginal canal. (Ouch)

http://www.kidshealth.org.nz/foreskin-care

How do I teach my son to wash his penis?
There is no need to clean inside the foreskin in young boys. Just wash the penis the same as any other part of your son’s body and be careful to wash off any soap. When a boy is old enough to bathe himself, he can wash his own penis.
Once your son can retract (pull back) his foreskin, you can talk to him about retracting his foreskin and washing. A simple explanation of “how to” may be helpful:
gently slip your foreskin back
rinse the head of your penis and the inside fold of your foreskin with warm water
slip your foreskin back in place over the head of the penis
Tell him to make sure he rinses off any soap before pulling the foreskin back over the head of the penis.
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What happens if someone retracts (pulls back) my son’s foreskin too early?
Forcing the foreskin back before the natural separation of the foreskin from the glans has occurred causes tearing of the connective tissue. This is painful and can lead to problems:
tearing the foreskin from the head of the penis leaves an open wound which can lead to infection
the raw surfaces touching each other can heal together and form adhesions (areas that stick together) between the foreskin and the head of the penis leading to permanent problems with retraction (pulling back)
small tears in the opening of the foreskin can heal to form non-elastic (non-stretchable) scar tissue, possibly causing acquired narrowing (phimosis)
the foreskin can get “stuck” behind the head of the penis (paraphimosis)
– See more at: http://www.kidshealth.org.nz/foreskin-care#sthash.Me3ioemF.dpuf

Had to unlike

I had to unlike some intactivists Facebook groups and pages today…. Not because they did anything wrong but because my heart was breaking at the info they were posting….
It’s is true info and they are simply showing excerpts adamant pro-circumcision advocates who post the stupidest crap so that Intactivists (anti-circumcision, pro-leave a child’s genitals alone) can refute the negative and pathetic disinformation being spewed….. But it was over loading my feed and I’ve been tense, angry and depressed lately because of what I’ve been reading.
So sorry my friends on those pages. I’ll be back but I need a break….. I need a break….. Carry on …. Carry on…

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Today.com: just say vagina

http://m.today.com/moms/just-say-vagina-using-correct-body-part-names-empowers-kids-6C9551650

The Atlantic featured her work in a recent article, detailing how she taught more than 500 students in public school classrooms in the last year. And she’s explained her reasons for teaching kids the accurate words to hundreds of their teachers and parents, too.

In March, Rohdenburg visited a first grade classroom, talking to 22 squirmy boys and girls about sexual abuse prevention. She discussed consent, empathy, body rights and privacy. She brought diaper-clad baby dolls, a boy and a girl, and asked the kids what body parts they have in common, according to The Atlantic story. The kids came up with heart, belly and mouth before one shouted that “they both have penises!”

As Rohdenburg began to change their diapers, she held up one doll. “Penis,” the kids shouted in response. “Vagina,” they said with a laugh when she held the girl doll up.

“Sometimes we giggle because we don’t talk about vaginas and penises a lot,” Rohdenburg was quoted as saying. “But it’s a body part, a private body part.”

Sex abuse prevention educators want kids to know that their private parts are off limits to others and to be able to talk about them in ways everyone can understand, rather than using euphemisms like cha-cha or wee-wee.

But not everyone is comfortable with saying these words out loud in public, especially when children are involved.

All children deserve better

Be they male or female children, All children deserve the rights to their whole body…. Not just the parts their parents or culture decide they can keep.
When the child grows up, that child can choose for themselves, as an informed adult, as to whether they are willing to lose a body part.
Body modification is an adult decision. The owner of the body should make the decision.

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XxxY- short documentary on intersexed children

Xxy- children born with ambiguous genitalia. Drs can’t tell if baby is boy or girl. Many drs force or surgically remove genital parts so that the child confirms more to genital norms.

So, not only do we need to protect “boys” and “girls” from genital cutting we need to protect the children born with parts of both sexes….

The video:
http://youtu.be/ReKwdIbE6Xk

http://www.facebook.com/xxdocxy – Winner, Best Documentary at 2001 Student Academy Awards, and at only 13 minutes long, Porter Gale and Laleh Soomekh’s documentary, XXXY, is essential filmmaking. A look at people born with ambiguous genitalia who had the grave misfortune of having their sex surgically decided for them as infants, the film concisely and powerfully conveys horror, injustice and tremendous personal fortitude. And it does all this through its straightforward cinematic visit with 24-year-old Kristi and clinical psychologist Howard Devore, two individuals who endured the experience themselves.

The film’s stripped down quality — talking heads, the occasional shot of a childhood home, or Kristi on a bike — means there’s nothing to interfere with the pair’s stories; the impact is profound. Plenty of others thought so too; after a successful international festival run, the film was awarded a student Academy Award gold medal.

Both Gale and Soomekh had been pursuing other careers before filmmaking became an option. Gale had been in New York, working in advertising, while Soomekh was freelancing as a photographer and teaching emotionally disturbed children. Both women wanted to move in a direction that would afford opportunities for combining their creative and socially progressive impulses. They enrolled in Stanford’s two-year film program, where XXXY was the result of an assignment to collaborate with a classmate.

— Filmmaker Magazine, Summer 2001, http://tiny.cc/filmmakermagazinexxxy2000

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The medical construction of gender

http://www.northeastern.edu/womensstudies/graduate/courses/course_material/men_women_social/documents/Kessler_Med_Construction_of_Gender.pdf

(Gag gag gag)

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Intersex- surgical correction/ surgical abuse

http://youtu.be/0OG1cG0UuO4

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http://youtu.be/YQESPaEj8dk

After 5 mins this video gets better

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AIS
Women with AIS
Genetically male, outwardly female

http://youtu.be/8hPN1bmbyXw

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http://youtu.be/IxzKlPVceWg

Eight families with transgender and gender non-conforming children ranging in ages from 5 to 25 share their stories. With the healthy development of their children at stake, parents must confront binary perceptions of gender, widespread transphobia and controversial parenting decisions.

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http://youtu.be/kLNL47KLLy8

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Upset

I’m upset. One of the parenting humor blogs I follow on Facebook is adamantly pro-circumcision and makes fun if men who feel they have been harmed by circumcision.
I had to unlike her page. I know I am only one person, one like and it won’t even show up as a blurp on the radar but morally I cannot follow her page.
She is co-admin of another page and I will still follow that just because it isn’t only her POV but other co-admins as well and it is a humor page , not a parenting humor page.

http://holdinholden.blogspot.com/2009/08/pecker-talk.html?m=1

I understand not wanting to be judged for your parenting behaviors or mistakes but being actively advocating cutting an infant and demeaning the men who circumcision has harmed crosses the line.
(She has her comments in the comment section to this effect)

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It seems in her case, even though the info was thrown at her (maybe too roughly) she chose to actively ignore and deride it.

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(Disclaimer: in no way am I saying she is a bad mom. In fact, I relate to many of her posts. However, I can no longer actively or passively promote her blog either through Facebook or through sharing on my personal blog)
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On a side note:
This made me smile

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Commenter’s comments on Rabbi Blog about infant circumcision and the Jewish faith

Rabbi blog- pro-circumcision (obviously) but against

metzitza b’peh

(oral to genital wound suction)

http://blog.rabbijason.com/2012/06/being-honest-about-ritual-circumcision.html?m=1

I’m posting this because if one of the commenters. I am reposting a commenter’s comment.

Dear Rabbi,

With all respect for those who *choose* to observe as they do, I suggest being *completely* honest about ritual circumcision. As a fairly observant Jew, I would not personally impose my observances on others, but do want to offer my own perspective.

I’m a Jewish father, raising his son as a Jew. If waiting until adulthood was good enough for Abraham (and for Moses, by the way), it’s good enough for my little Moishele. I don’t think I have the *right* to impose it upon him in infancy.

The mitzvot are routinely over- & under- interpreted. Independent thought is itself a Jewish tradition. The bris is merely one of 613. I wish more Rabbis would interpret the bris as flexibly as the avoidance of boiling kids in their mothers’ milk. In fact, it seems to me that doctrinaire focus on the one mitzvah, while freely interpreting much of the rest is anathema to Jewish traditions of emphasizing scholarship over mere dogma. After all, the objective of all our mitzvot is to recognize, as did Rabbi Hillel, “That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. That is the whole Torah; the rest is the commentary; go and learn.”

As for the medical benefits, they constitute specious rationalization at best. For example, there are far more effective and rational ways to prevent STDs. Refraining from unprotected sex is far more effective, by several orders of magnitude, than is circumcision. *First* do *no* harm.

In my opinion, no human should be subject to inessential pain or any possibility of complications without their consent; it seems to me *that* is anathema to Rabbinic teaching. Let’s finally shed the remnants of ancient, priestly superstition and fully embrace Rabbinic Judaism in all it’s enlightenment.

And, frankly, I feel particularly irritated when those who don’t don Tefillin to pray, men who are completely clean-shaven, women who refrain from monthly Mikveh immersions, et.al, pass judgement and make such a big deal about such a little piece of my little Moishele’s flesh. He can decide for himself when it’s time, thank you, and I feel confident he will find his own path towards fulfilling the mitzvot.

Thank you.

Sincerely,
Steven P

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more from him in comments
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Michael,

I agree conflicting information exists; all the more reason to leave such a decision to my son. It was good enough for Abraham to be circumcised in adulthood. It was good enough for Moses to be circumcised in adulthood.

People do, indeed, worship in different ways and have different priorities. Most of them at least attempt to justify or rationalize their priorities. I for one don’t see any rationalization for *infant* circumcision.

However, my perspective aside; many if not most Jews, many if not most Rabbis do indeed show disdain if not outright scorn for *my* decision to encourage my son follow in the footsteps of Abraham and Moses. Even you, Michael, are saying “all males *must* be circumcised” in *our* religion, inherently disallowing my choice despite my previous allusion; my wife and I are fairly observant, more observant than most I’d say. But, I digress.

So, the main question actually remains whether or not modern Jews (including Rabbis) will finally recognize and accept my son as a Jew, acknowledge the values that some of us can embrace Tikkun Olam over the superstitious dogma of our ancient, *priestly* ancestors.

Sincerely,
Steve P

P.S. I personally wouldn’t even allow my daughter (or son) to have their ears pierced until adolescence at the very earliest. I certainly wouldn’t do it to them in infancy.

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Michael,

Sorry to have delayed posting a reply until after Havdalah.

FYI, our people also abstained from circumcision the entire time we wandered the desert, after the Exodus and prior to entering Eretz Yisrael. Maybe there’s an exemplar there. In any case, the accounts of Moses’ circumcision are conflicting.

The “Chabad guy” thankfully doesn’t (usually) spit in my direction. I *do* go to shul (on Shabbos, always voluntarily, always with great joy and reverence; I wish I could chant the Aleinu at three minyans each day; oy, if I were a rich man…), and the *only* reason I don’t attend Rabbi’s weekly Torah class is because I let my wife attend while I watch the kids, thank you. And I’m not at all angry with *our* Rabbis. Our Rabbis fully respect our choices. Our enlightened, erudite Rabbis happen to have six kids between them and, with the exception of one newborn, all of them are among my son’s best friends. The folk who vex me are the yentas and the nudniks who have the chutzpah to judge my son based on adherence to a single one of 613 mitzvot, to judge me for allowing my son to make adult choices for himself rather than risk potential mutilation, infection, etc. without his permission; those self-appointed mavens who are constantly kvetching and hakn a tshaynik about this or that perceived transgression, sadly and ironically with little regard for Rabbi Hillel’s golden rule. I also confess vexation for those Rabbis who would apparently prefer a return to the days of priestly Judaism; the “machers” who refuse to let my son accompany his mother in the Mikveh, etc.

As I previously alluded, my wife and I are fairly observant in many respects. However, I won’t enumerate further just to wear our observance as some badge of holy honor. I will point out, however, that you and I are strangers to one another, that you haven’t asked me a single question in the interest of getting to know me better, yet you seem to presume knowledge and understanding of me based solely on my stance regarding one of 613 mitzvot?!!! Frankly, I think it highly presumptuous of you to extrapolate such, to also presume I have not yet reached your level of learning. I will refrain from making presumptuous replies in-kind. Rather than presume, let me ask: How do you feel about wearing garments made of linen interwoven with wool, wearing Tzitzit and Tefillin, trying to manage in the modern world without being able to borrow on interest, residing in a Sukkah all the days of Sukkot, refraining from haircuts and shaving? While we’re at it, please instruct me; how are sentencing “sorcerers” to death, allowing judges to sentence “deserving” convicts to decapitation, immolation, stoning, and strangulation counted among “ALL (the) mitzvot (which) contribute to Tikkun Olam”; do these particular precepts *taken literally* make you “proud to be a part of a ‘kingdom of priests and a holy nation'” or do you take at least a few of them metaphorically?

Shavua tov,
Steve

P.S. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD52OlkKfNs
(Pardon a bit of cultural chauvinism, but I suggest we leave to the goyim, et.al, fundamentalist literalism based on mere dogma and superstition.)

P.P.S. All these non-sequiturs aside, I still believe *infant* circumcision inherently constitutes an involuntary violation, making it one among many mitzvot which invite and warrant broad interpretation, but I’m perfectly willing to listen to reasoned counterpoint that isn’t steeped in dogma. Finally, please bear in mind I have *not* advocated legal prohibition.

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Dear Rabbi Jason,



Please pardon me for belaboring. With all respect, I propose a different tactic to better position us to counter legislation which could put Jewish ritual in jeopardy. I propose a learned Rabbi such as yourself… and I do mean that in all sincerity having followed your blogs and Facebook posts for some time… I suggest a learned Rabbi such as yourself admit that the opponents to circumcision have a few valid points and respond by developing new metaphors for ritual circumcision, metaphors that manage to adhere to the spirit of the mitzvah without subjecting innocent persons to inessential pain or possibility of medical complications. Be a pioneer. Offer such options and the “war on circumcision” might become moot. I’m sure there’s some way to reinterpret the mitzvah and I’m sure you are among those who are capable of doing such to the satisfaction of all but the ultra-orthodox.



One thought occurs to me as a result of some additional research today: it seems that the original Brit Milah involved only the tip of the foreskin and sometimes only poking with a sharp object so that a bit of blood was drawn. It wasn’t until overreaction to modernism circa 140 C.E. which led to the Peri’ah, i.e., complete amputation of the entire foreskin.

Sincerely,

Steve

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Michael,

I appreciate your more conciliatory approach. Thank you. I must confess to having become increasingly thin-skinned in proportion to disrespect for my son, for my scholarship, and for my piety (or presumed lack, thereof) that some Londsmen have exhibited over the years. I try to refrain from basing my arguments on credentializing but my wife and I do study Torah, we take the mitzvot very seriously, and we deeply considered our choices.

Of course, parents should have the right to raise their children in their faith as they see fit, but we should also recognize that there are slippery-slopes, that lines must be drawn somewhere, that we can’t allow, for extreme example, faiths that would promote religious infanticide. Furthermore, we constantly prioritize the mitzvot. Pardon me for citing another extreme hypothetical; would it be better to lie and thereby save an innocent life, or to tell the truth and thereby sacrifice the next Anne Frank? We do have mitzvot that conflict with the bris: Torah prohibits marking and altering the body, and the causing of pain to any living creature.

I concur with Rabbi Jason that circumcision is under attack. I gave great consideration to the title of his piece, in fact. “Being Honest About Ritual Circumcision” is the very reason I felt compelled to both tell my personal story and to acknowledge that “being (totally) honest” demands that we at least consider whether some critics of circumcision might actually have a valid argument or two. I suggest the best way to fend off the attack on our rituals should start with open, honest, intellectual (and Rabbinical) discourse rather than closed-minded (and Priestly) dogma. We should admit that most of us *very* freely interpret many of the 613 mitzvot and that there’s sufficient rationale for re-thinking what turns out to be a somewhat militant over-interpretation made circa 140 C.E.

Shalom,
Steve

…… More conversation continues…..
Click link at top of page…..

A link to links about circumcision and intact care.

Below is a link from the babycenter board Questioning Circumcision and Raising Intact boys.
This link in turn has links to intact care and info on circumcision.
So feel free to browse.
http://community.babycenter.com/post/a25893393/info_links_on_circumcision_intact_care_and_normal_development.

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Deciduous magnolia

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Spring is here … Saw this by the library today… Absolutely beautiful.
Was told it might be a deciduous magnolia flower

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I grew up with a “regular” southern magnolia (magnolia grandiflora) tree on the side of the house. Growing up, I loved the furry leaf and flower coverings….and the big white fragrant flowers….
Here is a web image

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(Next time I’m at my childhood home I need to take a picture of the fuzzy/furry leaf coverings…) some leaf/flower coverings were so furry I could pretend I was holding a mouse and trick friends. Once, I soaked the dried coverings and shaved the hair off so I could tried to make deer skin” clothing for my barbies when I pretended they were Native Americans (from the prairie cultures).


Found these pics online but not great

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Done in ignorance or knowledge

I wrote this in August 2011 as a “note” on my Facebook.

So many things i read saddens my soul. Is what we do intentionally with ignorance any better or worse than what we intentionally do with knowledge? Does a harm done with good intentions make it right? Does a good done accidentally make it wrong? There are so many harms we inflict upon our children. Sometimes we think it is for their good. Sometimes they are done in anger. Sometimes they are done in ignorance. Sometimes they are done accidentally. Sometimes these harms are inflicted intentionally. Sometimes we harm with our ignorance. Sometimes inspite of our knowledge. Sometimes against our instincts. Sometimes because of our cultural or familial influences. Sometimes we harm with words. Sometimes with our actions. The harms can be physical, emotional, mental and spiritual. We make mistake with our children. The main goal is to try to do better once we know more. We need to do better. Because our children come first. We need to admit our faults and mistakes but we can also admit the things we did/do well.

The case against infant (male or female) circumcision plus Indonesian FC study

Blog:
http://mondofown.blogspot.com/2012/06/female-circumcision-health-benefits.html?m=1

There are 2 issues here.

1 Cultural values. Some western cultures value male circumcision, but most do not. All western cultures view female circumcision as a human rights violation.

2 Availability of data. The truth is there is very little reliable or valid data about the health benefits of female circumcision because no-one is interested if there are any benefits.

Given that cultural values determine where research money is put and what research is done, you’ll find lots of western research into male circumcision and virtually none except for 2 isolated studies on female circumcision, which follow. Since the rich west, in particular the USA has a culture of male circumcision, lots of money goes into trying to find or prove health benefits for male circumcision. Whereas female circumcision is unfamiliar, and seen as a human rights violation, therefore no money is placed to determine whether any such health benefits exist. Infact the opposite is true, Stallings (2005) were given research money to find that circumcised women had a greater susceptibility to HIV (Probably to confirm our moral superiority in the west vs the barbaric female circumcisers) But alas the researchers were devaststed when they found that circumcised women had half the rate of HIV infections compared to uncircumcised women.

Again no celebrations, and “NO” demand for RCT’s, WHY = Cultural Values!!!!!!!

So the issue here is that Cultural Values determine whether research money is devoted to finding health benefits for any procedure. Given female circumcision is rightly seen as a human rights violation, no research or money is devoted to investigating the health benefits of circumcision on women. Human Rights correctly trump health benefits when it comes to female circumcision, but certainly not when it comes to male circumcision.

At least this is some PROOF that there are some higher values than Health Benefits from genital surgery, and YES Human Rights are considered more important!!!!!! Unfortunately when it comes to circumcision though, only the human rights of females are considered important. SADLY!!!!!!


Stalling’s research in FGM aka female circumcision

4.Stallings RY, Karugendo E (2005) Female circumcision and HIV infection in Tanzania: For better or for worse? [poster] 3rd International AIDS Society Conference; 2005 24 July–27 July; Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. International AIDS Society. Available: http://www.hiv-knowledge.org/iasmaps/i10​.htm. Accessed 13 December 2005 .

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Study on female circumcision in Indonesia
http://www.popcouncil.org/pdfs/frontiers/reports/Indonesia_FGM.pdf

AAP on FGM and MGM

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/125/5/1088.full

The AAP opposes all forms of FGM, counsels its members not to perform such ritual procedures, and encourages the development of community educational programs for immigrant populations.

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Fgm and Mgm compared

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-for more info- http://www.circumstitions.com/FGMvsMGM.html

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http://www.prb.org/pdf08/fgm-wallchart.pdf

Procedures vary throughout the world but the WHO classifies FGM2 into four types as follows:
Type 1: Excision of the prepuce with or without excision of the clitoris.
Type 2: Excision of the clitoris with partial or total excision of the labia minora.
Type 3: Excision of part or all of the external genitalia and stitching together of the exposed walls of the labia majora, leaving only a small hole (typically less than 5cm) to permit the passage of urine and vaginal secretions. This hole may need extending at the time of the menarche and often before first intercourse.
Type 4: Unclassified, covers any other damage to the female genitalia including pricking, piercing, burning, cutting or introduction of corrosive substances.

for more info- http://www.ednahospital.org/hospital-mission/female-genital-mutilation/
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http://www.slideshare.net/AaronJose1/multilation-bioethics

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A link to a blog post putting the aap stances on fgm and male circumcision side by side

http://www.circumstitions.com/AAP.html

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I’m looking for a chart of the different types if male circumcision or make genital mutilation but its hard.
Some types are:
*Circumcision as we know it- removing various amounts of foreskin
*in some cultures it’s a simple dorsal slit

* in some cultures it’s sub-incision- where they actually cut the penis length-wise
http://books.google.com/books?id=xmdKklZM9-kC&pg=PA164&lpg=PA164&dq=cultures+who+subincision&source=bl&ots=0QOxHnsSky&sig=IF0hISOISRhB_14NqL4VGtzRqR0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=q2NlUdOCF4vI9QSptIHYBw&ved=0CFAQ6AEwBg

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An excellent slide show analyzing fgm and MGM as well as organ donation
http://www.slideshare.net/AaronJose1/multilation-bioethics

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Aap on male circumcision

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/130/3/e756.full.pdf

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So according to the AAP all forms of female circumcision are wrong and drs are not to perform them no matter parental beliefs or preference
However, there is no actual prohibition of any type of circumcision surgery for boys… And drs are to make circumcision readily available and to take into account parental beliefs and preferences.

According to AAP
Female circumcision- illegal since the 1990’s- any type- even a similar procedure to male circumcision of just “snipping” the female prepuce/foreskin.
Parental preference- not taken onto consideration.

Male circumcision- possible benefits outweigh the risks and although the AAP does NOT recommend all boys be circumcised. The AAP recommends that drs perform it on parental request alone even with no medical need.
In fact, recommends that insurances, should cover it for any reason.

***please remember that some of the risks of infant male circumcision can be penile loss of function or penile amputation or death. Although rare, the AAP says the possible benefits outweigh the possible risks.

So lets see- possible STI when having unsafe sex if the man is uncircumcised/intact/natural (which even a circumcised man can get having unsafe sex)
Or
Possible death, or loss of penis when this medically unnecessary surgery is performed on a healthy infant with natural intact genitals purely for parental preference…..

Make sense?????

Moreover, it is illegal to cut juvenile female genital tissue due to medical issues like UTIs, yeast and bacterial infections
But
It’s perfectly ok to cut genital tissue from boys for the same reasons?

Huh? Come again? How do you treat female issues? Treat men the same!

any forced genital cutting of infant/child females, intersexed and infant/child males is wrong

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http://mondofown.blogspot.com/2012/06/female-circumcision-health-benefits.html?m=1

One of the arguments you will hear trying to justify male circumcision and denounce female circumcision is that “Male circumcision has health benefits but Female Circumcision has no health benefits”. In actual fact there are at least 2 studies listed below that show a correlation between female circumcision and lower HIV infections, and medical practitioners in femcirc cultures report that clinical experience shows that female circumcision does indeed have health benefits (below).

My opinion is that health benefits or no health benefits, that human rights supercede any such health benefits.

There are 2 issues here.

1 Cultural values. Some western cultures value male circumcision, but most do not. All western cultures view female circumcision as a human rights violation.

2 Availability of data. The truth is there is very little reliable or valid data about the health benefits of female circumcision because no-one is interested if there are any benefits.

Given that cultural values determine where research money is put and what research is done, you’ll find lots of western research into male circumcision and virtually none except for 2 isolated studies on female circumcision, which follow. Since the rich west, in particular the USA has a culture of male circumcision, lots of money goes into trying to find or prove health benefits for male circumcision. Whereas female circumcision is unfamiliar, and seen as a human rights violation, therefore no money is placed to determine whether any such health benefits exist. Infact the opposite is true, Stallings (2005) were given research money to find that circumcised women had a greater susceptibility to HIV (Probably to confirm our moral superiority in the west vs the barbaric female circumcisers) But alas the researchers were devaststed when they found that circumcised women had half the rate of HIV infections compared to uncircumcised women.

“Stallings et al. (2005) reported that, in Tanzanian women,
the risk of HIV among women who had undergone FGC
was roughly half that of women who had not; the association
remained significant after adjusting for region, household
wealth, age, lifetime partners, union status, and recent ulcer.”

The disappointment of the researchers was palpable, no celebrations, no calls for funding to do RCT’s to further validate their findings, just disappointment “for better or worse” they stated. “Female circumcision and HIV infection in Tanzania:for better or for worse? (3rd IAS conference on HIV pathogenesis and treatment)”.
International AIDS Society.

Now instead of using this research to argue that female circumcision had health benefits afterall, the values of the researchers intervened, and they were at a loss to explain this unwanted finding. Note the difference to how the American researchers celebrated when they found male circumcision had a slight reduction in HIV infections. VALUES!!!!!!

However, Rightly so that no funding was then generated to conduct RCT’s on female circumcision and its protective effect for HIV. It was morals about human rights which prevailed, but only because it was female circumcision and foreign to American Culture. Imagine if well funded Egyptian researchers had found this, in a culture where female circumcision is common?

The 2005 Stallings research is not the only research to find this link between female circumcision and lower HIV infections. Kanki et al found the same:

Kanki et al. reported that, in Senegalese prostitutes,
women who had undergone FGC had a significantly
decreased risk of HIV-2 infection when compared to
those who had not.

Kanki P, M’Boup S, Marlink R, et al. “Prevalence and risk
determinants of human immunodeficiency virus type 2
(HIV-2) and human immunodeficiency virus type 1
(HIV-1) in west African female prostitutes”.
Am. J. Epidemiol. 136 (7): 895-907. PMID

Again no celebrations, and “NO” demand for RCT’s, WHY = Cultural Values!!!!!!!

So the issue here is that Cultural Values determine whether research money is devoted to finding health benefits for any procedure. Given female circumcision is rightly seen as a human rights violation, no research or money is devoted to investigating the health benefits of circumcision on women. Human Rights correctly trump health benefits when it comes to female circumcision, but certainly not when it comes to male circumcision.

So does female circumcision have health benefits? The truth is we dont really know, but there is some evidence to suggest that removing female genital skin has a correlation with reduced HIV infections. This would need to be confirmed by further study, but you and I know this isnt going to happen because of our western values against female genital cutting. Even if it was confirmed female circumcision had health benefits, it is still morally and ethically wrong. In some way yes if you remove genital skin you wont have problems with something that doesnt exist anymore, its just that ethics prevent western society from wanting to reduce female genital skin to achieve any health benefits because ethics and human rights are considered important in the case of women’s genitals……..read more ….

— Stalling’s research on FC
4.Stallings RY, Karugendo E (2005) Female circumcision and HIV infection in Tanzania: For better or for worse? [poster] 3rd International AIDS Society Conference; 2005 24 July–27 July; Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. International AIDS Society. Available: http://www.hiv-knowledge.org/iasmaps/i10​.htm. Accessed 13 December 2005 .

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“Fantastic paraphrasing of the AAP’s circumcision policy
by Norm Cohen {as found in NOCIRC of Michigan’s Spring Newsletter}:

“Someday, a boy may or may not get a disease if he is not circumcised, and he may or may not get a disease if he is circumcised, and the difference due to circumcising him is so small that we can’t even recommend that all parents should have it done, even after spending five years looking for the research findings that agreed with our preference, unless parents for whatever reason, also have the same preference, in which case the government or insurance companies should pay us doctors to do it.

Oh, and by the way, we don’t know the purpose of the foreskin that we’re cutting off, and we’re not sure how often the surgery goes bad.””

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Another baby hemorrhaging… Lucky to be alive and yet supposedly the risks are worth it? How is almost dying worth it? How is almost dying because of a medically unnecessary surgery being performed on a healthy infant worth it?

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Social, education, songs, culture, past

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Thenewyorker- http://m.newyorker.com/online/blogs/culture/2013/04/brad-paisleys-accidental-racist.html

To the man that waited on me at the Starbucks down on Main, I hope you understand
When I put on that t-shirt, the only thing I meant to say is I’m a Skynyrd fan
The red flag on my chest somehow is like the elephant in the corner of the south
And I just walked him right in the room
Just a proud rebel son with an ‘ol can of worms
Lookin’ like I got a lot to learn but from my point of view

I’m just a white man comin’ to you from the southland
Tryin’ to understand what it’s like not to be
I’m proud of where I’m from but not everything we’ve done
And it ain’t like you and me can re-write history
Our generation didn’t start this nation
We’re still pickin’ up the pieces, walkin’ on eggshells, fightin’ over yesterday
And caught between southern pride and southern blame

They called it Reconstruction, fixed the buildings, dried some tears
We’re still siftin’ through the rubble after a hundred-fifty years
I try to put myself in your shoes and that’s a good place to begin
But it ain’t like I can walk a mile in someone else’s skin

‘Cause I’m a white man livin’ in the southland
Just like you I’m more than what you see
I’m proud of where I’m from but not everything we’ve done
And it ain’t like you and me can re-write history
Our generation didn’t start this nation
And we’re still paying for the mistakes
That a bunch of folks made long before we came
And caught between southern pride and southern blame

Dear Mr. White Man, I wish you understood
What the world is really like when you’re livin’ in the hood
Just because my pants are saggin’ doesn’t mean I’m up to no good
You should try to get to know me, I really wish you would
Now my chains are gold but I’m still misunderstood
I wasn’t there when Sherman’s March turned the south into firewood
I want you to get paid but be a slave I never could
Feel like a new fangled Django, dodgin’ invisible white hoods
So when I see that white cowboy hat, I’m thinkin’ it’s not all good
I guess we’re both guilty of judgin’ the cover not the book
I’d love to buy you a beer, conversate and clear the air
But I see that red flag and I think you wish I wasn’t here

I’m just a white man
(If you don’t judge my do-rag)
Comin’ to you from the southland
(I won’t judge your red flag)
Tryin’ to understand what it’s like not to be
I’m proud of where I’m from
(If you don’t judge my gold chains)
But not everything we’ve done
(I’ll forget the iron chains)
It ain’t like you and me can re-write history
(Can’t re-write history baby)

Oh, Dixieland
(The relationship between the Mason-Dixon needs some fixin’)
I hope you understand what this is all about
(Quite frankly I’m a black Yankee but I’ve been thinkin’ about this lately)
I’m a son of the new south
(The past is the past, you feel me)
And I just want to make things right
(Let bygones be bygones)
Where all that’s left is southern pride
(RIP Robert E. Lee but I’ve gotta thank Abraham Lincoln for freeing me, know what I mean)
It’s real, it’s real
It’s truth

More lyrics: http://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/b/brad_paisley/

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